In this special bonus episode, I sat down with Laura Adams and Monica Reinagel, who host Money Girl and Nutrition Diva here on the Quick and Dirty Tips network, to celebrate their 15th anniversaries and discuss how much podcasting has changed in this decade and a half. Thanks to Laura and Monica for joining me — and if you're new to Quick and Dirty Tips, make sure you check out Money Girl and Nutrition Diva for the best financial and nutrition advice in audio!
In this special bonus episode, I sat down with Laura Adams and Monica Reinagel, who host Money Girl and Nutrition Diva here on the Quick and Dirty Tips network, to celebrate their 15th anniversaries and discuss how much podcasting has changed in this decade and a half. Thanks to Laura and Monica for joining me — and if you're new to Quick and Dirty Tips, make sure you check out Money Girl and Nutrition Diva for the best financial and nutrition advice in audio!
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Mignon Fogarty:
Hi, it's Mignon Fogarty, and I just have a heads-up that this bonus show isn't about writing. Besides being Grammar Girl, I'm also the founder of the whole Quick and Dirty Tips podcast network, and this month, we're celebrating the 15th anniversary of two of our shows: Money Girl and Nutrition Diva. An amazing milestone! And as part of the celebration, I interviewed the two hosts, Laura Adams and Monica Reinagel. So … if you'd like a little sneak peek behind the scenes and to hear the stories of two amazing women and how they got started podcasting, stick around. And I'll be back on Tuesday with a regular Grammar Girl episode. Welcome, Laura and Monica.
Laura Adams:
Woo. Thank you. Mignon. So excited.
Monica Reinagel:
Great to be all together. Yeah.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah. I know. We don't see each other very often, so this is wonderful to see you, for those of you who are watching the video, and we were just talking, gosh, 15 years is such a long time and it just flew by and I'm so proud of all the work that you've done for your listeners over these low, low are these many years. Today we're going to talk about some of the history of the shows and where things are going and some of the exciting weird things that have happened along the way. So Laura, let's talk with you first. For those of you who don't know, Laura is one of the nation's leading personal finances, small business authorities. She's an award-winning author, speaker, and of course host of Money Girl, but you might not know, she's been the host since 2008. That's why we're celebrating 15 years.
She works with brands as an expert spokesperson, consumer advocate, and content creator, and her mission is to empower consumers to live financially healthy and rich lives by making the most of what they have, planning for the future, and making smart financial decisions. She received an MBA from the University of Florida and lives with her husband in Vero Beach, Florida now.
And Monica Reinagel is equally accomplished. She is a licensed nutritionist with a Master's degree in human nutrition and went to cool culinary school. She spends her days writing and speaking about food and nutrition, helping people create healthier lives, and she is the host of the Nutrition Diva podcast, but also the Change Academy podcast. She writes for Scientific American, Food and Nutrition Magazine, and she's been a guest on shows like The Today Show, CBS News, and NPR's Morning Edition, and we'll talk about this, she is also a trained opera singer, which is where the name Nutrition Diva comes from.
She's not a food diva, she's an actual singing diva. So Laura and Monica, welcome. Let's talk about your shows and your accomplishments over all these years. You know, I think it'd be fun to go back, I don't even remember at this point how you both came on board the network, so maybe talk about what your dreams were and what you were thinking when you... And how you got started doing your shows. Laura, why don't you go first?
Laura Adams:
So I had started podcasting right after I got my MBA. I was very, very into all of the information, all of the finance information that I had just learned, and I thought, wow, wouldn't podcasting and blogging be a fun way to dig into topics and not only help myself remember what I had just learned in that program, but also help other people learn maybe making those topics digestible and relatable? Well, lo and behold, it was the personal finance side of it that got the most reaction. A lot of people started emailing me and sending questions about personal finance, and that's when I realized that was really the direction I wanted to go. It wasn't corporate finance that got me excited, it was the personal side of money.
So I think that it was about 2007, March of 2007, I started my very first podcast. It was called MBA Working Girl, and I was doing that for a few months and somebody who knows you, Mignon, approached me and said, "I think Mignon and this growing network might be looking for a new host." And I think I reached out to you, or there maybe was an introduction between this person and I'm racking my brain to remember.
Mignon Fogarty:
Now that you've jogged my memory, I think I remember, I think it was Rob Walch from Libsyn.
Laura Adams:
That is it, from Libsyn, exactly. Rob reached out and because I was doing my podcast through Libsyn and said, "I think they might be looking for a new host." And so he put this together and there was this transitional period where we had an interim host and then finally took over in, I believe the first episode was August of 2008. So I mean, as you said, the time has flown by and what were my dreams at the time? It really wasn't anything that I could imagine. It was really more about me mastering this new technology, figuring it out, being one of the first financial podcasts out there, because at the time, there weren't that many shows and I thought this would be just really fun and a great way for me to learn. And so I'm so pleased that it really ended up being a fun also moneymaking venture as well over the years.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah, it's wonderful. I think that none of us imagined we'd be doing it for 15 years. I know, at the time, didn't think that. Monica, why don't you talk about your early days?
Monica Reinagel:
Actually, not unsimilar to Laura's only in my case, much less intentional. When I started with you, I had been blogging in nutrition for a couple of pretty high profile websites, and so I had begun to develop a reputation as a topic expert. I hadn't really even thought about podcasts, but I was beginning to be invited as a guest on other people's podcasts. And one of those early interviews after we wrapped up the interview, I was just chatting with the producer afterwards and he said, "You're really good on microphone. Have you ever thought of doing a podcast? Do you know who Grammar Girl is?" And he told me about your podcast. He said, "They have a whole network. Maybe that would be something to look into."
So I went to the website, I looked around and I cold called, cold emailed our then director Richard Rohr, and said, "How is it possible you don't have a nutrition podcast in this lineup?" I couldn't believe that there wasn't one yet. And he said, "Because we haven't found the right person yet. Why don't you write us some sample episodes and we'll see if you are a fit." So next thing I knew, we were signing contracts and recording those early episodes and launching that podcast, and I had very little expectation or aspiration. Like Laura, it sounded like fun to me. I wanted to see what it would be like to do to produce the content, but I didn't have a sense, Mignon, I feel like you were so much more forward thinking in the podcasting industry. I didn't have a sense of where podcasting was going. I almost thought it was just kind of a passing fad that we would all podcast for a while and then we would be moving on to something else. I didn't imagine that it would be become as big a part of our media landscape as it has been.
And then of course, I was really well positioned because I was at, like Laura, I was in place before there were three million shows, three million podcasts, and had a chance to develop an audience and an approach to podcasting and familiarity and comfort with the medium. Still never thought I would be doing it for 15 years. When I got up to 10 years, I thought, well, maybe I should be wrapping this up, handing the mantle on to someone else. But it's been so compelling and part of it, I think as with you, Laura, has been the relationship that develops with the listeners. The listeners were so present, they were so willing to email and send in questions and I could see how they were responding to the show. And that really roped me in, the fact that it was really very two-way relationship between the podcast host and the listener.
Mignon Fogarty:
That's one of the things I loved the most from the very beginning about podcasting was that interaction with the listeners, because I had been writing too, and you just don't get the same kind of feedback. And I laugh when I think back about the early days because I thought that I was coming to podcasting so late, I thought I had just missed the boat, was the last person up that ramp. And obviously now very, very early, I remember thinking that podcasting was like the early days of the internet or blogging that it was an or online newspaper, that it was a way to reach listeners directly with audio in a way that had been able to, for a while, reach them directly with text and that it was going to change everything.
I do think I thought the industry would change even more over time. I mean, what we do today for podcasting technologically is somewhat different, but conceptually it's really kind of similar to what we were doing in the beginning. We're giving audio information to people, you know, you talked about the listeners and the wonderful relationships we had with them. I would love to hear some anecdotes that you both have about things that have happened with your listeners. Do you want to start this time, Monica?
Monica Reinagel:
Well, I have people that have been listening from the very first days of the show, and when they email me, they always tell me, I've been listening since the very beginning. I've heard every episode, which of course, very endearing, and many of them have found themselves featured on the podcast because listener questions generate a huge share of our content, and I always like to, when they record a voicemail, we like to play their voices. When they just write into me, I will read their questions. And so they've been a character on the show since the very beginning, just having done it for so long and the other opportunities that it opened up for me to do other kinds of media, radio, television, made me more familiar to more people.
So I have had a very few instances of actually being recognized somewhere at my farmer's market or something like that. But maybe the craziest, the wildest story, as you said, Mignon, I had a previous life as a classically trained singer and that life still creeps into my current life. And a couple of years ago I was out of town doing a solo gig, and then the first orchestra rehearsal, the conductor will also always introduce the soloists to the orchestra. So we stand up and he introduces everybody. He gets to me and said, "And our mezzo-soprano soloist is Monica Reinagel and the concert master said, "Huh, you're the Nutrition Diva." And the conductor just looked at me like, okay, there's something here I don't know, because I kind of kept those worlds separate. So that was probably my proudest moment as a podcaster.
Mignon Fogarty:
How about you, Laura?
Laura Adams:
Well, I have a couple things that come to mind. I still have the very first email that I ever received from a listener. It came from a blind man named John who said that he was really listening to podcast on his way to work, and he kind of gave this long email about how much he was enjoying the show. And at the very end he said, "And I'm blind." And it really touched me in a way that made me realize how accessible this medium is, and it's something that we all love to kind of multitask, but I never really thought about how wonderful it is for the site impaired out there. And so that was something that really made me realize the diversity of the audience and how I could really connect with so many different types of people. That was wonderful. That came right away.
And I think that is what got me sort of hooked in the beginning to keep going and keep producing content. Thinking about that listener who was out there wanting the next episode to come. Another time I was traveling. I was on a vacation in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and I was there for a wedding, a friend of my husband's, and we sat down at this lovely dinner at the wedding and I started speaking to this woman next to me and she said, "Your voice sounds just like this podcast I listen to called Money Girl." And it was like, oh my God, I have to come to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho to find my best fan. But I found her and it was so fun, and we kept up an email relationship for a long time, and so that was really fun to be called out and we were with all these people and she was like, "You, look, you don't know who this person is." It was such a big deal, and she was calling me out and I was so embarrassed, but loving it at the same time. So it was really fun.
Mignon Fogarty:
That's amazing. I hear from blind listeners too, and it's really cool to know that you're providing information for people that they can get it in so many different ways. I think the only time, this is so weird, but the only time I think I've ever been recognized outside of podcasting conferences is I went in to get a biopsy on a breast lump that turned out to be nothing, it was fine, but while the nurse is getting me ready, she's like, "I know you. You're Grammar Girl. I saw you on Oprah." And I'm like, "Yes, but can you pay attention to..." It was the weirdest place and time to be recognized of all the places and times.
Laura Adams:
That does not sound as fun as my experience, but I'm glad everything was okay.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah. Yeah, that was weird. I think another interesting story I have is I heard once from a listener who named her daughter after me, which, so there's a little Mignon out there somewhere who I hope enjoys reading and writing and doing grammar.
Laura Adams:
That's fantastic.
Monica Reinagel:
That's quite an honor, Mignon.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah, I know. It was such a surprise. I think she would probably be, I don't know, between eight and 10 now, probably. Yeah, so we, again, hearing from listeners and getting questions, which is always so wonderful, I'm sure, as I do, you find that you get a lot of the same questions over and over again. And so how do you handle that? Do you refresh your content? Do you answer them directly? Talk about maybe that a little bit or maybe your answer, maybe the answer to those questions has even changed over the years. I know money and nutrition changed more than grammar.
Monica Reinagel:
Yeah, that's definitely been my experience. I do get certain questions over and over again, and in the early years I would refer them back to that episode, "Oh, I talked about that in episode number 28 or whatever, you can go check that out." And two things changed. First of all, the amount of time that had passed between that original episode and when I might be getting that question started to become long enough that as you suggest, Mignon, things have changed in nutrition science and some of those answers had changed. So that became a spur to revisit and update content and bring it so that the content is up-to-date. I mean, once you've recorded over 700 episodes, it gets kind of encyclopedic. There's kind of very little we haven't talked about, but things have changed, and probably more in my field than in either of your fields, there have been more advances and in some cases, reversals of the science on nutrition.
So it is necessary to go back and refresh that content. And I can use the listener questions as a prompt to do that. And also I realized that, in a way, it's a better listener experience instead of in the course of an episode. Another change I think I've made in the course of an episode, instead of just saying, "Oh, and I talked more about this in this episode, you can go listen to that." I've started to just go ahead and pull that information into the episode that I'm working on now so that it's a little bit more accessible and all in one place for the listener that they don't have to then remember an episode number and go find that other episode. So that's a slight shift that I've made is actually repeating some of that content just so that it's all in one place for people. How do you handle that when people are asking for things that you've covered in the past?
Laura Adams:
I have, in the past, kind of lumped things together. So if I saw a lot of questions about, let's say, buying a home and mortgages, we try to do an episode that kind of addresses a bunch of those. But I will say, there are changes year to year, particularly with taxes and retirement accounts. The questions that I get the most are not related to those specific changes, they're more about how do I prioritize things? Should I do this or should I do this? And in a lot of cases, maybe a yes or a no, but there are also maybe a third thing to do as well that people are not thinking about. So trying to help people understand what are your options? What are the pros and cons? I never like to tell people this is the right way or this is the wrong way, but here are the pros and cons to all the different options that I see for you and things to think about.
One thing that I will say is when I started podcasting, so that was 2008, we were in that recession, that pretty bad recession. And so people were worrying about a lot of the things that we have recently been worrying about like bank collapses and FDIC insurance and things like that. That has been so interesting to see that cycle come back around now 15 years later. So it was interesting, I was looking back at some of the podcasts that I was doing around the recession in 2008 and really kind of updating that. So taking those topics that yes, you see over and over and over, but putting a spin on it that is current with what's going on in the economy today or what things have changed a little bit with the laws. That's a way I feel like I can always keep it fresh.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah. When I was out on my book tour a few years ago, I had a great opportunity to talk to a lot of listeners in person, which we don't normally get. And one of the things I asked is how they felt about hearing the same topics again. And I found most people said they really appreciate the refresher. And we also have to remember that not everybody has been listening since the beginning. So if something, we covered something seven years ago or 10 years ago, there's a very good chance that most people haven't heard it. So there's nothing wrong with redoing those major topics again and again, too.
So do you feel like your podcast has changed from the beginning, from the 15 years? When I started, my show was about three or four minutes long and now it's about 15 minutes long, and I have two segments, and I always have the fan elect story at the end, which is a story from the listeners. Have your shows changed a lot or do you even feel like your approach toward your show or podcasting has changed? Laura, why don't you go first this time?
Laura Adams:
Yes, like you, I do feel that they have gotten a little bit longer, and I think that's good. I think it is tough to really cover a topic in depth in just a few minutes, especially as we've had, been fortunate enough to have more advertisers, having a little bit more content sort of balances out the content against that ad time. And I find that listeners really appreciate that. They're willing to listen to the ads if they're getting the goods in the show. And so it has become, I think, a little bit longer. I've also really, really tried to bring in personal anecdotes, be a little bit more conversational, really bring in personal stuff when I can, but I never want to cross that line between being too chatty because people come to Quick and Dirty Tips for the information, they're there to get the information and move on, and that's the beauty of the show. So there's been a balance there between making it conversational but not crossing that line and not having them trust us to give them just the facts.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah, I have to laugh because if you're not watching the video when Laura said they come to us to get the information, all three of us started nodding vigorously. Yes, that is what we do. Monica, how about you?
Monica Reinagel:
Yeah, my show has also gotten a little bit longer. When we started, there was a real emphasis, this is the Quick and Dirty Tips network. We get in, we get out, we deliver one little nugget, and we keep going. And so my shows also were more in the five, six, seven minute range. And like you Laura, I felt like as we started to have more sponsorship opportunities and ads that we wanted to balance that content, so yes. Also I realized that the listeners were interested in slightly longer episodes, although it's possible to push that too far. So my episodes now run between 10 or 12 minutes, can flesh things out in a little bit more detail. Sometimes we have time for a listener question that's related, but on a slightly different topic either at the beginning or at the end. But a few times, particularly when I've had guests on to do interviews, when the shows have run quite a bit longer because I felt like the conversation was so interesting.
And so the episode had run maybe 25 minutes and we could see that the listenership would drop off a little bit for those longer episodes. I hope that this episode will be an exception to that rule, and I don't think that it was about not being interested in the conversation or in the guest at all. I think maybe it's just that our shows occupy a certain slot. If your commute is 12 minutes long or, that's one episode, if it's 24 minutes long, that's two episodes, and maybe people are queuing up the podcast to fill specific moments in the day that those longer shows didn't fit into. That's my theory anyway.
Mignon Fogarty:
I think you're absolutely right. I know when I, there's a distinction between the analytics, so when I do interviews at least, we get the same number of listeners, but we see the completion rate goes way down.
Monica Reinagel:
That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah. So the same number of people will listen, but then you imagine, oh, they got to work and had to turn it off, or something like that. They were done walking the dog and now the show has had its allotted time.
Monica Reinagel:
There was another sort of, I'll call it a gentle mandate at the beginning when we started, and I don't know if you experienced this the same way, Laura, but Mignon, you were very humorous in your podcast, and Stever Robbins was also at that point, he was Get-It-Done Guy, and he was like a standup comedian. So there was pressure. I felt a little bit of pressure to be funny. Did you find that Laura? To try to find...
Laura Adams:
Yes. And I'm not funny, but I can find the personal aspect in the topic. So I think that was sort of my way of making it a little less dry. But what we found is that if people are hard core, they're really into the topic, they're there for the topic and they're not there for entertainment. Yes, if it can be a little entertaining, that is wonderful. But again, I think most of the listeners are like, give me the information, and if there's a little nugget of humor or personal anecdote, fantastic.
Monica Reinagel:
Well, Mignon, you did such a good job of using your little characters-
Mignon Fogarty:
Yes.
Monica Reinagel:
... as a way of making the lesson stickier and helping us remember giving us devices that would keep them in our minds. That was brilliant. And Stever had some recurring characters on his show as well. I never came up with any characters for my shows or little gimmicks that would run from show to show. But I do, when I listen back to early episodes, I can tell then that I was really concerned with trying to be very professional and in my voice and in my delivery. And one thing that's changed for me, maybe not even in the content or what I talk about it, but I'm a little bit more relaxed and a little bit more willing to let my personality come through in the shows than I was at the beginning. And that probably just comes with ease, you know? You do it long enough and you start to believe, actually, I am a podcaster. I can go ahead and be myself.
And because the listeners do develop such personal relationships with us, and I think that's the nature of podcasting and how people take in that content, you're literally in their ear, you're whispering in their ear and you're accompanying them through specific portions of their day, whether it's their dog walks or their dish washing time or their commutes. You're a constant companion and friend. And so they do feel a connection to us, which I'm sure you've all experienced if you ever have reason to be on the phone with a listener. And so often they'll say like, "Ah, it's just so funny to hear your voice talking to me. It's so familiar."
Mignon Fogarty:
It is. It's like that whenever I go to podcasting conferences, I feel that way and people react that way to me. You hear them so much, and then to actually talk in real time to someone whose voice you recognize, is at first very jarring. It's cool and neat, but also jarring, and you have to get used to it, especially in those early days when video wasn't such a big deal, you didn't know someone's face. So it was sort of that radio effect where that weird moment when you see the DJ for the first time, and you were usually imagining that person who looked different, looked somehow not the same.
Monica Reinagel:
They imagined you looked like your avatar.
Mignon Fogarty:
Right! And what's funny is people say that people do think I look like my avatar, but the artist who made my avatar had never seen a picture of me. So it was just a coincidence. Did you get people saying that you looked like your avatars?
Monica Reinagel:
My avatar did kind of share a lot of the same characteristics with me, and we picked some props for her that kind of signified the diva-ness, so she had a little tiara and she wore sort of an evening gown. She had little silver sparkly shoes, and I was very attached to my avatar. I thought she was adorable. I loved being associated with her. When we published the book through Macmillan that went with the podcast, the Nutrition Divas Secrets for a Healthy Diet, we included lots of... I really fought for illustrations because we thought of all these funny ways to use the avatar. So when she was reading food labels in the grocery store, she was actually looking through upper glasses and we tried to have some little puns. But no, I was very fond of my avatar. I was kind of sorry when they updated all of our logos and moved away from that. And I could see that style had, maybe was looking a little bit dated and they wanted something a little bit more refreshed. But I miss her.
Mignon Fogarty:
Yeah, I know the platforms we're asking for refreshed logos from all of us, so yeah. Wonderful. Well, I think we're going to wrap up, but I'm very curious, what do you see happening in the next few years? Do you see yourself doing this for 15 more years? I know that's such a long time, maybe five because that's all we can conceive of, or do you have any plans for other things, podcasting or not that you might do in your subject areas? Laura, why don't you take it away?
Laura Adams:
Podcasting has been such an integral part of everything that I've done. It really did launch a book career for me. I was really always wanting to write and be an author and so the podcast owned by Macmillan at the time was very or newly owned, I should say, I guess by Macmillan was a wonderful outlet to write. And so I've had the honor of writing multiple books with Macmillan, and my latest book was with Entrepreneur Press, Money Smart Solopreneur. So I don't know if I'll write more books, but I can definitely say that podcasting has been a big component of my work with brands. They love to see that I am in connection with an audience of people who are asking questions and that I'm sort of in touch with the pulse of personal finance. And so it's a big part of my identity. So I can't really imagine not podcasting right now. I think it's fun. It keeps me up-to-date. It keeps me learning constantly. So I don't know how long I'll do it, but I can't imagine not doing it.
Monica Reinagel:
Yeah, I feel the same, Laura. It has become such an essential tool for both communicating on multiple platforms and also supporting my business, which is why we launched a second podcast the Change Academy, which is not with Macmillan or part of the Quick and Dirty Tips, but gave us an opportunity to talk a little bit more about some of the other services and programs that we offer and topic areas slightly adjacent to nutrition, more about behavior change, like not just what we should be eating, but why do we do the things that we do and why don't they always line up with what our goals are?
It's gotten to the point where I just automatically think of business and communication and platform in terms of podcasting. One of the things that we're experimenting with next, and I'm kind of excited about is private podcasts as a way to deliver content to, for example, program participants or coaching clients or something, realizing what a convenient and compelling and immediate way that is to communicate and to deliver information.
And private podcasting is sort of, it's not a new frontier, but it's something that I hadn't really explored before. And that's something I'm really excited about developing in my business over the next couple of years and really leveraging everything that I've learned as a public podcaster in that other application of it. There's just so much potential for podcasting to reach new audiences, to support existing businesses, but when it does come time to step down, to turn over the tiara, I feel as, like you Mignon, I'm the only Nutrition Diva there has been, there haven't been multiple hosts for my show. And I really want to make sure that the person that takes over is prepared to bring the same level of integrity and commitment to that. I feel a responsibility to my listeners to leave the show in good hands. So I guess I'll be scanning the horizon for doing some succession planning.
Mignon Fogarty:
I feel exactly the same way. I feel like I have a huge responsibility to make sure whenever that day comes, that it's the right person who takes over because you do have this element of trust and you do, you feel responsible for your platform and your listeners, and you want it to continue to be a valuable, reliable source.
Well, I am just been so grateful to have both of you filling that role for your shows. I know when I have a money question or a nutrition question, the first thing I do is see what has Monica said about this? What has Laura said about this? You were my first stop when I have any question in either of those areas. So thank you for being part of the network and for giving me personally the information I've been curious about over the years.
Laura Adams:
Oh well, thank you. Thank you for inviting me into the platform and being a part of the Quick and Dirty Tips community. I mean, being one of the hosts has just been such a highlight of my career, so it's something that I'm super proud of and kudos to you for building this and staying with it and being such a part of its growth and the change. We've seen a lot of change in the network over the years for the good, and I really appreciate that and appreciate you hosting this podcast today. This has been fun.
Monica Reinagel:
Yes, it has been such a privilege to know you Mignon and to work with you, and I'm so grateful that you had the vision for this network that we have now gotten to build with you for all of these years. But it's-
Mignon Fogarty:
Absolutely.
Monica Reinagel:
... fun to connect as three of the old timers, maybe the oldest timers at this point, at the Quick and Dirty Tips Network, and to introduce each of our audiences to other voices that they may not have yet encountered. If you haven't yet listened to Grammar Girl or Money Girl, you're missing out. These need to be in your feed as well.
Mignon Fogarty:
Oh, thank you, Monica. Yeah, I think we are the oldest timers too, 'cause I think maybe one of our producers, Dan Feierabend has been here as long as I have, but we are definitely among the oldest of the old timers. And it's true. You have played a huge part in building the network too. And I mean, again, congratulations and thank you and here's to as many more years as you are willing to give us.
Monica Reinagel:
Here, here.
Laura Adams:
Here, here.
Mignon Fogarty:
Thanks again to all of you for listening, and if you want to check out these two wonderful podcasts, they are again Money Girl and Nutrition Diva, and you can find them wherever you get your podcasts.